It appears as if the following story I'm about to share broke out about a year ago, but I just stumbled upon it the other day.
In Australia, LGBT journalists Serena Ryan and Pete Dillon engaged in the following back-and-forths with Salvation Army Major Andrew Craibe:
Ryan (reading part of the Salvation Story: Salvationist Handbook of Doctrine): "'For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error...
They know God's decree, that those who practice such things deserve to die - yet they not only do them but even applaud others who practise them.'
...that says, according to the Salvation Army, that [they] deserve death. How do you respond to that, as part of your doctrine?"
Craibe: "Well, that's part of our belief system."
Ryan (cutting in): "So we should die."
Craibe: "You know, we have an alignment to the Scriptures, but that's our belief."
Ryan: "Wow, so we should die."
and
Ryan: "It's going into Romans again... I accept that you're out there wanting to help people... I don't accept that this sexuality that is part of my DNA is a choice. I also don't accept the support of any religion in a financial sense, and this is what the gay community is up in arms about: that you're proposing in your religious doctrine and the way that you train - this is part of your training of your soldiers - that because we're gay, that - we must die. If you go to Romans, book 1, 18-32, it's all there, mate. I mean, how can you stand by that? How is that Christian?"
Craibe: "Well, well, because that is part of our Christian doctrine -"
Ryan (interrupting): "But how is that Christian? Shouldn't it be about love?"
Craibe: "-that's our understanding of that. Well, the love that we would show is about that: consideration for all human beings to come to know salvation -"
Ryan: "Or die..."
Craibe: "Well, yes."
Mr. Craibe seems to exemplify the brainwashed mentality of many far-right evangelicals. The following made-up dialogue is the basic impression I get from people like Andrew Craibe when it comes to discussing homosexuality.
Setting: A philosophy class in some town by the name of Simpleton
Professor Sue Crates: "So, Ms. Susie-Jo Donthink, is every Commandment absolute?"
Donthink: "Yes"
Crates: "Okay, why is this?"
Donthink: "Because it's in the Bible and my momma told me it too."
Crates: "But what about if a person steals food to survive? Is that morally wrong?"
Donthink: "Yes"
Crates: "Why?"
Donthink: "Because it's in the Bible and my momma told me it's wrong."
Crates: "What about killing? Is it wrong to kill in self-defense?"
Donthink: "Killing's always wrong. It's in the Bible and my momma told me so."
Crates: "What about adultery? What if woman agrees to sleep with a man who's not her husband - a very rich man - in exchange for the man to pay the money necessary for her husband to receive life-saving treatment of some kind for a potentially fatal illness?"
Donthink: "It's wrong. It's in the Bible and my momma told me that it's wrong."
Crates: "So every Commandment is absolute because that's what you were told by your pastor and mother - is that it?"
Donthink: "If they tell me it's wrong, I know it's wrong. It's in the Bible."
Crates: "Did either your pastor or mother write the Bible?"
Donthink: "I don't know - maybe."
Crates: "The Bible was written many years before either your mother or pastor were born, so it'd be literally impossible for either to have authored any part of it."
Donthink: "Okay..."
Crates: "My point is, how can you know every Commandment is absolute when being told this information by two people whom didn't write any portion of the book?"
Donthink: "It's in the Bible and that's what I was told to believe."
Crates: "Well, why not think for yourself?"
Donthink: "My momma told me that's what the devil does."
Crates: "So, it's good to take your pastor's and mother's word for it about what the Bible is really saying even though they never wrote any part of it, and is evil to think for yourself, even though we were all supposedly created by God? Is that right?"
Donthink: "You should stop thinking so much."
Crates: "Why on earth should I stop thinking? I'm a philosophy professor."
Donthink: "Because it's what the devil does. It's in the Bible."
Crates: "I thought you said that's what your mother told you."
Donthink: "She did. She wrote the Bible."
Crates: "Ugh! Class dismissed!"
http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/06/26448/
In Australia, LGBT journalists Serena Ryan and Pete Dillon engaged in the following back-and-forths with Salvation Army Major Andrew Craibe:
Ryan (reading part of the Salvation Story: Salvationist Handbook of Doctrine): "'For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error...
They know God's decree, that those who practice such things deserve to die - yet they not only do them but even applaud others who practise them.'
...that says, according to the Salvation Army, that [they] deserve death. How do you respond to that, as part of your doctrine?"
Craibe: "Well, that's part of our belief system."
Ryan (cutting in): "So we should die."
Craibe: "You know, we have an alignment to the Scriptures, but that's our belief."
Ryan: "Wow, so we should die."
and
Ryan: "It's going into Romans again... I accept that you're out there wanting to help people... I don't accept that this sexuality that is part of my DNA is a choice. I also don't accept the support of any religion in a financial sense, and this is what the gay community is up in arms about: that you're proposing in your religious doctrine and the way that you train - this is part of your training of your soldiers - that because we're gay, that - we must die. If you go to Romans, book 1, 18-32, it's all there, mate. I mean, how can you stand by that? How is that Christian?"
Craibe: "Well, well, because that is part of our Christian doctrine -"
Ryan (interrupting): "But how is that Christian? Shouldn't it be about love?"
Craibe: "-that's our understanding of that. Well, the love that we would show is about that: consideration for all human beings to come to know salvation -"
Ryan: "Or die..."
Craibe: "Well, yes."
Mr. Craibe seems to exemplify the brainwashed mentality of many far-right evangelicals. The following made-up dialogue is the basic impression I get from people like Andrew Craibe when it comes to discussing homosexuality.
Setting: A philosophy class in some town by the name of Simpleton
Professor Sue Crates: "So, Ms. Susie-Jo Donthink, is every Commandment absolute?"
Donthink: "Yes"
Crates: "Okay, why is this?"
Donthink: "Because it's in the Bible and my momma told me it too."
Crates: "But what about if a person steals food to survive? Is that morally wrong?"
Donthink: "Yes"
Crates: "Why?"
Donthink: "Because it's in the Bible and my momma told me it's wrong."
Crates: "What about killing? Is it wrong to kill in self-defense?"
Donthink: "Killing's always wrong. It's in the Bible and my momma told me so."
Crates: "What about adultery? What if woman agrees to sleep with a man who's not her husband - a very rich man - in exchange for the man to pay the money necessary for her husband to receive life-saving treatment of some kind for a potentially fatal illness?"
Donthink: "It's wrong. It's in the Bible and my momma told me that it's wrong."
Crates: "So every Commandment is absolute because that's what you were told by your pastor and mother - is that it?"
Donthink: "If they tell me it's wrong, I know it's wrong. It's in the Bible."
Crates: "Did either your pastor or mother write the Bible?"
Donthink: "I don't know - maybe."
Crates: "The Bible was written many years before either your mother or pastor were born, so it'd be literally impossible for either to have authored any part of it."
Donthink: "Okay..."
Crates: "My point is, how can you know every Commandment is absolute when being told this information by two people whom didn't write any portion of the book?"
Donthink: "It's in the Bible and that's what I was told to believe."
Crates: "Well, why not think for yourself?"
Donthink: "My momma told me that's what the devil does."
Crates: "So, it's good to take your pastor's and mother's word for it about what the Bible is really saying even though they never wrote any part of it, and is evil to think for yourself, even though we were all supposedly created by God? Is that right?"
Donthink: "You should stop thinking so much."
Crates: "Why on earth should I stop thinking? I'm a philosophy professor."
Donthink: "Because it's what the devil does. It's in the Bible."
Crates: "I thought you said that's what your mother told you."
Donthink: "She did. She wrote the Bible."
Crates: "Ugh! Class dismissed!"
http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2012/06/26448/
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