"Well, isn't that convenient?" - Missouri State Senator Brian Nieves on abortions due to health complications
Missouri state Senate Majority Whip and man most targeted on dart boards by women - Brian Nieves - just recently got into another lovely abortion debate.
After being provided examples of medical reasons why women may opt for an abortion in the third trimester (including heart failure, diabetes, renal disease, hypertension, and severe fetal deformities), Nieves responded by saying, "'Life of the Mother?' Your own argument proves it is a matter of convenience!"
Yes, a third-trimester abortion due to health complications is obviously a matter of convenience. The most common such complication is what is called an ectopic pregnancy. Such pregnancies are life-threatening and occur between one in 40 to one in every 100 pregnancies. Again, such pregnancies are only matters of "convenience."
It really boggles my mind how so many far-right Republican men pretend to know more about the female body than they or doctors do. What such individuals are implying is that they, whom will never get pregnant, know women could never die due to a pregnancy, and that it's best to go through with such dangerous pregnancies to quite possibly end the mother's life and the child's as well just in hope that the child can survive, but without a mother. Here's how such a conversation between a person like Brian Nieves and a respected woman doctor plays out in my mind:
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "So, a third-trimester abortion due to health risks is a matter of convenience?"
Nieves: "Yes, yes it is."
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "What about ectopic pregnancies?"
Nieves: "What are those?"
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "They're life-threatening pregnancies which occur between one in 40 to one in every 100 pregnancies, and which often result in late abortions to spare the mother her life."
Nieves: "Well, isn't that 'convenient?' What about the child's rights and life?"
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "The child's life likely wouldn't be spared in such a pregnancy either. Would you rather both the child and mother die than just the child?"
Nieves: "I want the mother to die, but the child to live, as God intended."
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "How is that as God intended?"
Nieves: "It says so in the Bible."
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "What book?"
Nieves: "Every book!"
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "I think you're mistaken."
Nieves: "Whatever. A fetus should have more rights than a woman. It's as simple as that."
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "Okay... Let me try this from a different angle. Would you consider yourself a family man, Mr. Nieves?"
Nieves: "What kind of question is that? Of course, I do. I'm all about the family - as God intended - a working husband, slave wife, and lots of kids."
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "::sighs:: Alright, so, you feel that the wife and mother of a family is just as important a component as any other - would that be accurate?"
Nieves: "Yeah, I suppose."
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "Okay then... So, if I were able to guarantee that a woman's life could be saved with an abortion due to some serious health risks during pregnancy, would it not be better for the present and future family for her to have an abortion, so that the child she and her husband hopefully have one day can grow up with both a mother and a father, rather than me not performing the abortion, the woman dying, and the child growing up without a mother?"
Nieves: "It's all in God's hands. Women should not ever have abortions - period!"
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "In God's hands? Wouldn't their lives kind of be in my hands, since I'd be the one working on saving at least one of their lives?"
Nieves: "That's just science crap."
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "So, everything is in God's hands and there's nothing we can do about it?"
Nieves: "Yup."
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "The Holocaust?"
Nieves: "Yup."
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "Did you know Jesus was Jewish?"
Nieves: "What? Sinner!"
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "He was. Look it up. So, according to you, it was as God intended for six million Jews to be killed during this time, all the while his son was Jewish?"
Nieves: "Yes! What part of as God intended don't you understand? Everything that happens ends up being good, because everything is controlled by God. Everything happens for a reason - because of God!"
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "So, it was as God intended for President Obama to be elected twice?"
Nieves: "No. That was just voter fraud!"
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "So, God didn't control that? But, I thought he controlled everything."
Nieves: "Go to hell!"
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "After talking to you for a few minutes, I think I can safely say I've been there."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/23/brian-nieves_n_3640587.html
After being provided examples of medical reasons why women may opt for an abortion in the third trimester (including heart failure, diabetes, renal disease, hypertension, and severe fetal deformities), Nieves responded by saying, "'Life of the Mother?' Your own argument proves it is a matter of convenience!"
Yes, a third-trimester abortion due to health complications is obviously a matter of convenience. The most common such complication is what is called an ectopic pregnancy. Such pregnancies are life-threatening and occur between one in 40 to one in every 100 pregnancies. Again, such pregnancies are only matters of "convenience."
It really boggles my mind how so many far-right Republican men pretend to know more about the female body than they or doctors do. What such individuals are implying is that they, whom will never get pregnant, know women could never die due to a pregnancy, and that it's best to go through with such dangerous pregnancies to quite possibly end the mother's life and the child's as well just in hope that the child can survive, but without a mother. Here's how such a conversation between a person like Brian Nieves and a respected woman doctor plays out in my mind:
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "So, a third-trimester abortion due to health risks is a matter of convenience?"
Nieves: "Yes, yes it is."
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "What about ectopic pregnancies?"
Nieves: "What are those?"
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "They're life-threatening pregnancies which occur between one in 40 to one in every 100 pregnancies, and which often result in late abortions to spare the mother her life."
Nieves: "Well, isn't that 'convenient?' What about the child's rights and life?"
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "The child's life likely wouldn't be spared in such a pregnancy either. Would you rather both the child and mother die than just the child?"
Nieves: "I want the mother to die, but the child to live, as God intended."
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "How is that as God intended?"
Nieves: "It says so in the Bible."
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "What book?"
Nieves: "Every book!"
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "I think you're mistaken."
Nieves: "Whatever. A fetus should have more rights than a woman. It's as simple as that."
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "Okay... Let me try this from a different angle. Would you consider yourself a family man, Mr. Nieves?"
Nieves: "What kind of question is that? Of course, I do. I'm all about the family - as God intended - a working husband, slave wife, and lots of kids."
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "::sighs:: Alright, so, you feel that the wife and mother of a family is just as important a component as any other - would that be accurate?"
Nieves: "Yeah, I suppose."
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "Okay then... So, if I were able to guarantee that a woman's life could be saved with an abortion due to some serious health risks during pregnancy, would it not be better for the present and future family for her to have an abortion, so that the child she and her husband hopefully have one day can grow up with both a mother and a father, rather than me not performing the abortion, the woman dying, and the child growing up without a mother?"
Nieves: "It's all in God's hands. Women should not ever have abortions - period!"
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "In God's hands? Wouldn't their lives kind of be in my hands, since I'd be the one working on saving at least one of their lives?"
Nieves: "That's just science crap."
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "So, everything is in God's hands and there's nothing we can do about it?"
Nieves: "Yup."
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "The Holocaust?"
Nieves: "Yup."
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "Did you know Jesus was Jewish?"
Nieves: "What? Sinner!"
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "He was. Look it up. So, according to you, it was as God intended for six million Jews to be killed during this time, all the while his son was Jewish?"
Nieves: "Yes! What part of as God intended don't you understand? Everything that happens ends up being good, because everything is controlled by God. Everything happens for a reason - because of God!"
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "So, it was as God intended for President Obama to be elected twice?"
Nieves: "No. That was just voter fraud!"
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "So, God didn't control that? But, I thought he controlled everything."
Nieves: "Go to hell!"
Doctor Smarterthanyou: "After talking to you for a few minutes, I think I can safely say I've been there."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/23/brian-nieves_n_3640587.html
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